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Examples of & Comments around The Children\"s happiness \"I favor Coffee, I like Tea, I choose Sitting on A black color Man\"s Knee\"


I think that this variation is a \"trick question\" was claimed to result in an automatic and also \"obvious response from children who weren\"t black color (the plan audience because that that and also other rhymes) the \"Yes. I choose coffee and also yes I choose tea\" but NO. Ns don\"t choose sitting top top a black color man\"s knee.\" (Having said yes both times, the \"trick\" is that the human being answering the question would be lulled right into responding \"yes\" come a inquiry that around an activity that is extremely unacceptable (for children who aren\"t Black). Couple of analysis that children\"s recreational rhymes that I\"ve read think about that this rhyme and also some other children\"s to chat rhymes could have different meanings for Black kids than they do for White children. Although us teach our children that they shouldn\"t sit on any kind of strange man\"s lap-unless he\"s the Santa Claus in ~ a social event during the Christmas season- for the most part, sitting on the knee the a Black guy who is well-known to a Black son doesn’t have actually the same risque, sexualized, and also scary connotations the it had in the past and probably still have in the 2000s because that White children and also other non-Black children.
It\"s far-ranging that \"Black men\" are the only racial/ethnic populace that room featured in this rhymes- There space no comparable examples that \"I prefer coffee...I favor sitting on a White man\"s knee\" or \"I like sitting top top an oriental man\"s knee\" or \"I prefer sitting on a Latino man\"s knee.\"


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Although we teach our kids that lock shouldn\"t sit on any kind of strange man\"s lap-unless he\"s the Santa Claus in the keep or cultural event during the Christmas season, us don\"t hold those negative stereotypes about Black males and also thus Black youngsters wouldn\"t interpret this luck in the same means as White children. I don\"t mental \"I choose coffee...I like sitting ~ above a black color man\"s knee\" from mine childhood (in Atlantic City, new Jersey, beforehand 1950s). Ns wonder if anyone external of England remembers this rhyme. If so, for the folkloric record, please share that details in the comment section below. Please include demographics (especially your race/ethnicity, geographical location, and decade the you mental this rhyme). Thanks!-snip-My practice is to capitalize the racial referents \"Black\" and \"White\". However, I\"ve supplied the lower instance \"b\" for \"black man\" together that is how that referent is discovered in the examples I to be quoting.In contrast, the modern rhymes \"I choose coffee, I like tea, I like a black boy and he likes me\" to be probably very first composed by black color people. Click http://civicpride-kusatsu.net/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html Racialized version Of \"I like Coffee I prefer Tea\" for a civicpride-kusatsu.net post around those rhymes. Also, click http://civicpride-kusatsu.net/2017/06/selected-examples-of-referents-for.html because that the closely related civicpride-kusatsu.net write-up entitled \"Selected examples Of Referents for Black human being In Children\"s Rhymes\"****EXCERPTS about THE rhyme \"I like COFFEE....I favor SITTING ~ above A black color MAN\"S KNEE\"These excerpts are given in fairly random order, and are numbered for referencing purposes only.EXCERPT #1From https://books.google.com/books?id=sdWwHbOf4oAC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=HpDAN7l85O&sig=8S_C-5wB9bySayW9t_Gzz3WdoOU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4y73_ifbYAhXD61MKHY06CzE4ChDoAQgoMAA#The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren Iona Archibald Opie, ‎Peter Opie -Given in section entitled “Guile”...\"’Can you to speak tea-pot backwards?’ (The human says “pot tea” and you speak you recognize he is)’“Do girlfriend feel favor a cup of tea??” ‘Yes’. ‘You look like one”.\"Are you soft?’ ‘No’. ‘Are friend daft? ‘ ‘No’. Are you much off the it?’ ‘No.’ (You say, ‘I thought not”.) This last is almost one the those triple-question tip in i m sorry the person is resulted in expect that the answer provided to the very first two inquiries will likewise do for the third:Do you choose apples?Do you favor pears?Do you like tumbling under the stairs? Or, execute you favor whiteDo you favor pink?Do you choose fallingdown the sink? maybe the rhyming aids the delusion, because that these recipe are extremely popular, particularly with an extremely young youngsters who have just started school. Ours daughter, for example, was 5 years old when she came home with: carry out you like coffee ? perform you like tea ? perform you choose sitting on a blackman\"s knee ?-snip-The \"Are you soft\" instance doesn’t analyze well right into American English. While, i realize that “daft” means “crazy”, I’m not certain what “far turn off of it” means. However I \"get\" the these \"triple questions\" room meant to \"trick\" the child right into saying \"yes\", as soon as the 3rd answer would absolutely be \"no\". As I indicated in my comments above, given the an unfavorable stereotypes that were held around Black people in general, and also Black males in particular, because that White children in the so late 1950s and also (likely) for numerous non-Black youngsters now, I doubt that the answer to the inquiry \"Do you choose sitting ~ above a blackman\"s knee\" wouldn\"t have been (wouldn\"t be) \"Yes\", but a according to \"NO!\". For those kids (and not for black children) \"sitting on a black man\"s knee\" would have actually been (and may still be) miscellaneous that would not only be socially unacceptable, but likewise be taken into consideration disgusting. The writer quoted in Excerpt #3 gives another possible interpretation the this rhyme in i beg your pardon \"sitting top top a black color man\"s knee\" to be eroticized. If the is the case, the declarative declare \"I choose sitting ~ above a black color man\"s knee\" may be an instance of youngsters being risque by an overwhelming societal taboos of sitting on a black color man\"s lap because that sexualized, if not romantic, reasons.****EXCERPT #2 indigenous http://sounds.bl.uk/Oral-history/Opie-collection-of-children-s-games-and-songs-/021M-C0898X0059XX-0100V0\"Type: soundDuration: 00:47:41<...>Subjects: Children\"s games; Children\"s songsRecording date: 1982-06Is component of (Collection): Opie collection of children\"s games and songs<...>\"There is a short pause in the record at <00:15:00> and Iona describes that she is now in Flitwick, Bedford. There is much background noise native traffic. Iona starts by talking to part schoolgirls, one of whom is thirteen.They sing the skipping tune \"I like Coffee, I prefer Tea\". The girl sings: \"I choose coffee, I prefer tea, I favor sitting on a black man\"s knee\" <00:15:27 - 00:15:34>\"****EXCERPT #3From https://books.google.com/books?id=OkyBDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=oZAdnb3j9l&sig=G_Nw_cUozzmmYB_Jdjdqmuc7jzo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrz_Gu_fXYAhWEq1MKHY5UBh8Q6AEIRjAF#v=onepage&q=i%20like%20coffee%20i%20like%20tea%20i%20like%20sitting%20on%20a%20black%20man\"s%20knee&f=false Richard Hoggart and cultural StudiesS. Owen\"In this brand-new collection that essays, a range of established and emerging social critics re-evaluate Richard Hoggart\"s contribution to the history of ideas and to the discipline of social Studies. They research Hoggart\"s legacy, identifying his widespread influence, tracing continuities and also complexities, and also affirming his importance.\"‘Them’ and also ‘Us’ - Robert J C Young...\"Perhaps Leeds was different, yet in plenty of English cities, from London come Newcastle, neighborhood English and immigrant communities of Jews, Irish, and later Caribbean, Bangladeshi, and also Pakistani did meet, and also 1957 was the time once this was first becoming a political problem on a national level- it was the year prior to the very first Nottingham riots. In the civilization of The Uses, there seems to be as little explicit awareness of black civilization as of the colonies.The charlady secures she old feel hat v a large pin through a piccaninny’s head sculpted on the dull end-a relic that a day at sea, ns suppose’ (118), anyone knows that a regional woman had a black kid after the annual visit that the circus a few years ago. This illegal attraction is staged much more spectacularly in among the jumping rope rhymes i beg your pardon Hoggart price quotes without comment:I like coffee, I favor teaI like sitting on a black man’s knee (58)The continual version the this happiness is I like coffee, I prefer teaI desire to jump v me.Or more suggestively, I like the boys and the boys prefer meEven Salman Rushdie, in The Satanic Verses, cites a comparatively anodyne version contrasted to Hoggart’s, once Saladin Chamcha is making threatening erotic cotton phone calls come Gibreel:I like coffee, I prefer tea,I prefer the things you do to me.Tell she that, the voice swooned, and also rang off.(Rushdie, 1988, 444) The spectral illustration of the eroticised black color man’s knee in The supplies suggests another dimension come the quite puritanical sex life that is evoked in the everyday lives of the functioning class. It also suggests the phantom existence of different communities who register no presence in the book.”****EXCERPT #4From http://the-history-girls.civicpride-kusatsu.net.com/2015/05/bluebells-cockleshells-catherine-johnson.html Bluebells, Cockleshells Catherine Johnson, Thursday, 14 might 2015“That\"s what started me off a go in those woods critical week, i couldn\"t acquire this skip rhyme the end of mine head;Bluebells, cockleshells,Evey, Ivy, O-ver,Did girlfriend play this one? You\"d require a big group, and also a large rope v two enders, or one ender (nobody wanted to it is in an ender) and also then you\"d tie the other end to a drainpipe. Anyway on \"Bluebells, cockle shells\" the rope would be swayed, not turned every the way over until words \"over\" in the rhyme. At this the following girl, the was always a girl (and there was just Barry Morgan in our school who can skip I may be wrong here) would run right into the rope. She\"d sing;I like coffee I like tea I prefer Sheila in through meAnd then Sheila would jump in and also you\"d both skip together and spell out her name as you jumped. However sometimes, and this would be roughly 1970 in London, I deserve to remember singing;I prefer coffee I prefer tea,I prefer sitting ~ above a black color man\"s kneeWhich seems totally shocking today - although we didn\"t think around it climate - and also did i think i was skipping around my Dad? no at all, this to be the exact same mythical black man who famously got recorded by his toe, finest mates, no doubt through the male from China who was forever doing up his flies. Skip rhymes were always odd and also sometimes rude and sometimes fully scatological. Have the right to I simply say i am glad those days space gone? I never ever felt these rhymes were a sign of any kind of kind of innocence.”...****EXCERPT #5From http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=3&t=381 Seedy Songs and Rotten Rhymes - the city of the playground\"I favor coffeeI like coffee I favor tea I choose sitting on a black man knee with a one and also a two and a three (on 3 lift your skirt, turn tround quickly, bending over and show her bum)\"****EXCERPT #6From http://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/playground-songs-448434/page3/May ninth 2007, 12:03 am #39\"sasbear This might be classed together un PC currently but.this is what us sang ...I like coffeeI prefer teaI choose sitting top top a black color man\"s knee\"**May 9th 2007, 12:10 am asher FemaleQuote:Originally posted by sasbear This might be classed together un PC currently but.this is what us sang ...I favor coffeeI like teaI prefer sitting on a black man\"s kneewe sang it together a skipping tune \"as over then I desire so and also so in through me.\"-snip-“I want so and so in v me” I desire to sign up with me jumping rope.****EXCERPT #7From https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=36600.120 Topic: once did you an initial encounter racism?Re: as soon as did you first encounter racism?Sexton Brackets, answer #125 on: June 13, 2013, 10:10:01 to be »\"Another playground one round my means was \"Do you choose coffee?Do you choose tea?Do you prefer sitting top top a black man\"s knee?\"There was one black boy in my course when ns was eight (1974) and also our teacher would on regular basis mock-glower in ~ him and say \"Don\"t you give me those black color looks, boy\" in a monster Windsor Davies-type voice, to the negative kid\"s obvious embarrassment. It was really funny for the remainder of united state at the time, though.\"****Thanks for visiting civicpride-kusatsu.net.Visitor comments are welcome.